I just think it’s stupid to make an MMO in a setting that’s so unnatural for MMOs. If you want a PA MMO, make a setting in which more people are still alive after the apocalypse, Fallout’s just too empty.

Herve Caen is trying of course, but he won’t succeed, and the thing is going to land on the hands of Zenimax Online for sure.

Yes, Europe is more free in some respects… but I imagine it depends on the country. There are certain things about France, for example, that completely violate my sense of freedom. I don’t want to go into specifics because we will then be getting into some intensely personal topics.

Yup.

To be honest, I don’t know what the devs said about the matter, so you have a leg up on me there. Still, it probably wouldn’t change my opinion. Thats because my standpoint is that when you create a peice of interactive art, part of that art is the interaction that the user has with it. So if a dev came to me and said, “you should experience this game in this manner”, my response would be “if you want all your people to have the same exact experience from your game, you are in the wrong business. Go make a Michael Bay movie”

You are deviating from the issue. It’s not about how we see Fallout, it’s about what it was meant to be. It’s not our game, in the end, that’s what I mean. It’s not our world either.

Devs are human, with opinions, just like you and I.

In this case, they are not humans: they are the creators of Fallout. Big difference. They don’t have opinions, they have statements, and what they say is rule.

Which it seems is exactly why so many people are pissed off at Bethesda, because they seem to be trying to force their vision of fallout on everyone with fallout 3.

They are not the original devs, that’s why. They have as much right to say what Fallout is about as me and you. Which is none. In the end, it’s not their game just because they bought it.

Anyway, now that we are all nice and calm, thanks for your responses, they have sparked a few ideas for my blog hehe.

Feel free to read this interesting and helpful article, if you haven’t yet: http://www.nma-fallout.com/article.php?id=35764 It alone is more helpful and most of my posts here.

“Above all, I was clearly trolling. And I live in Europe, if you think America is free…”

Yes, Europe is more free in some respects… but I imagine it depends on the country. There are certain things about France, for example, that completely violate my sense of freedom. I don’t want to go into specifics because we will then be getting into some intensely personal topics.

“It’s not as long as we stay on what the devs talked about. And if you’re a fan like myself (you could be a fan unlike myself) you’d know (or have an idea about) what the devs said about the matter.”

To be honest, I don’t know what the devs said about the matter, so you have a leg up on me there. Still, it probably wouldn’t change my opinion. Thats because my standpoint is that when you create a peice of interactive art, part of that art is the interaction that the user has with it. So if a dev came to me and said, “you should experience this game in this manner”, my response would be “if you want all your people to have the same exact experience from your game, you are in the wrong business. Go make a Michael Bay movie” Devs are human, with opinions, just like you and I. And the best devs usually listen to the players to some extent. Which it seems is exactly why so many people are pissed off at Bethesda, because they seem to be trying to force their vision of fallout on everyone with fallout 3.

Anyway, now that we are all nice and calm, thanks for your responses, they have sparked a few ideas for my blog hehe.

Hmmm, did you play the pen and paper RPG alll by yourself, or with your dog? Sitting in the desert maybe? Probably not, because pen and paper RPGs are very social, just like an MMO.

MMO’s can be very social, big difference. Most of the time its about grinding and power leveling, and Fallout is definitely about that, and it’s (arguably) not about social communities and you inside them and all…

I’m posting in America, where my right to say what I want is protected from people like yourself who would gag someone over a discussion about a game, though apparently its more of a religion to you or something cause you are acting like a fallout extremist, which explains why you call me a heretic.

Above all, I was clearly trolling. And I live in Europe, if you think America is free…

Secondly, this entire conversation is pretty subjective.

It’s not as long as we stay on what the devs talked about. And if you’re a fan like myself (you could be a fan unlike myself) you’d know (or have an idea about) what the devs said about the matter.

My experience of the game makes it open to the possibility of an MMO. If yours doesn’t, thats fine.

Sure, I’m not saying you don’t have the right to say whatever you please, or the right to think whatever you want about Fallout. But it doesn’t matter what you and I say, or anyone for that matter. What matters is what the creators said, because it’s not everyone that wholly understands what the devs created. I sure don’t, that’s for sure. Ask Ausir, he knows.

You should be happy, anyways, the fact the Interplay owns the rights to the MMO means it will never see the light of day.

I am, for now. Because in two years, they will loose the rights and Bethesda online department will farm Fallout a little more. I just hope EA buys Bethesda at once.

So, look at yourself, having an aneurysm over a post about a game that will never see the light of day.

Eheh, I get you. As angry as I may seem, I’m not angry at you, or anyone. It’s not like you’re a bad arguer or anything, and I’m gladly having this “discussion” (?). Don’t judge me for what you read of me, at least don’t put your whole faith on it. Sometimes I’m really angry when I write, but I never get to the point of an aneurysm. I’m calm enough for that. Had I been angry, I wouldn’t even read your post I’d just flame away based on some random word on your post

I thought it’d be pretty obvious. MMOs are all about community and building them. So the idea a bunch of players getting together to struggle for survival in this wasteland is not I know nothing about second life, I never played it.

“Fallout is about the recreation of pen and paper RPG feel on a post apocalyptic retro futuristic setting. Everything else comes after that.”

Hmmm, did you play the pen and paper RPG alll by yourself, or with your dog? Sitting in the desert maybe? Probably not, because pen and paper RPGs are very social, just like an MMO.

“I reject whatever right you may have bore to say what fallout is about. ”

I’m posting in America, where my right to say what I want is protected from people like yourself who would gag someone over a discussion about a game, though apparently its more of a religion to you or something cause you are acting like a fallout extremist, which explains why you call me a heretic.

Secondly, this entire conversation is pretty subjective. The game, like art, and I do consider fallout to be a game that has transcended to a work of art, is whatever the person playing it takes from it. My experience of the game makes it open to the possibility of an MMO. If yours doesn’t, thats fine. The game will always have that special place in my memory, that kind of game you never forget, and thats personal and unique to me, just like your experience is unique to yours. You should be happy, anyways, the fact the Interplay owns the rights to the MMO means it will never see the light of day.

So, look at yourself, having an aneurysm over a post about a game that will never see the light of day.

Brios, looks like you got it working, thanks for the post I responded.

‘Resistance: Fall Of Man’ was reported to have dual wielding.
Reward for completing game.
Seen ‘Halo’ pictures with dual wielding … but haven’t played these.
These recent high profile titles have ‘it’.

[whine] Why can’t B’s FO-3 have Guns Akimbo too! [/whine]

Played ‘Red Dead Revolver’, and it’s - Dead Eye - looks similar to VATS.
It’s dual wielding was nothing special as I recall. Bigger f-ing six gun available.

If Bethesda has this Nex Gen … jones … so bad they got the shakes,
why not cook up and shoot up some Guns Akimbo.

Hey, if - girls - endowed with twin peaks can finger two at a time …

But, no, different time line.

Think B western cowboy. Good guy role model. In fantasy open spaces, mythic hero for vault shut ins.

Be like this hero. Look like this hero. Act like this hero. Shoot like Hopalong Cassidy.

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osiris1975 I can’t make comments on your blog, don’t know why, never got the confirmation e-mail when I registered.

Edit: I got it working finally.